So I came across this diagram, and Im not sure what to think

[!DC!FreeZe]

I stumbled across this, and I read it out of curiosity, and I'm not too sure what to think. I've questioned my faith before... but this makes me think a whole lot deeper, and quite frankly, I don't have very many arguments against those claims (if any at all). I'm usually pretty good at dissecting the other's arguments and finding some logical rebuttal against them. But now I'm at a standstill.

The reason I show you guys this is not to convince you to abandon your faith (because I'm still trying to hold onto mine). What I am asking for is clarity. I thought that many of the passages given as examples were taken out of context, therefore left vulnerable for misinterpretation (which I have known many atheists who have taken passages out of context in order to strengthen their arguments). But this guy knows his stuff (or so it seems). I know a lot of you know the Bible better than I do, having studied it for probably a majority of your lives, whereas I've only been studying it for a few years now. So if you can, take a look at it, read it carefully, and tell me what you think.

[!DC!Ironman]

First off don't care, they're talking about something they aren't even trying to believe in so they have a 100% biased interest in it.
Second several are taken out of deep understandable context that the person will never understand because God has hidden it from them, when he's quoting Luke 14:26 he doesn't understand that when it is saying hate it doesn't mean to despise that person but to not love them so much as to ignore say spousal abuse or sin in their life that is wreaking them, and to also not worry about them so much.

Also I'm reading more of this and he says, "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent."
He doesn't understand that God has prevented several evils from invading our world today, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, the half demons of Noahs times and such as that. Also (for those believing in God) you could say you don't know how much evil He stops from happening because He has his hand covering all of us to protect us from certain things.

But just remember this "writer" has himself 100% invested in being bigot-like and biased against us and God because he doesn't believe already and he's so deep in sin and without God so much of what we see is hidden from him and he cannot think logically (if you will, even though the seems somewhat thought out).


EDIT: Also he's not realizing that his understanding of December 25th and a virgin birth a skewed since he never looked at the opposition to his view point. Since the fact that's it's been hypothesized and proven that all those stories of "virgin births" of other Gods where after Christ! And yes the Catholic church did move the CELEBRATION of Christ's birth to December 25th but for better integration into the cultures.

[!DC!Prower]

First off don't care, they're talking about something they aren't even trying to believe in so they have a 100% biased interest in it.
Second several are taken out of deep understandable context that the person will never understand because God has hidden it from them, when he's quoting Luke 14:26 he doesn't understand that when it is saying hate it doesn't mean to despise that person but to not love them so much as to ignore say spousal abuse or sin in their life that is wreaking them, and to also not worry about them so much.

Also I'm reading more of this and he says, "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent."
He doesn't understand that God has prevented several evils from invading our world today, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, the half demons of Noahs times and such as that. Also (for those believing in God) you could say you don't know how much evil He stops from happening because He has his hand covering all of us to protect us from certain things.

But just remember this "writer" has himself 100% invested in being bigot-like and biased against us and God because he doesn't believe already and he's so deep in sin and without God so much of what we see is hidden from him and he cannot think logically (if you will, even though the seems somewhat thought out).

I was just about to say something along these lines, but you took the words out of my mouth and made it even better. =]

[!DC!FreeZe]

I see. Romans 1:28 brings something like this up: "Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done."

[!DC!Luthien Kess]

Give me a sec to get out my bible, I want a thrash at this....


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First off, I’m using the NLT translation, if anybody demands KJ, you’ll have to give me a while to dig out my old Bible, but I think that this will suffice. :-)

Did Adam and Eve sin?

How could Adam and Eve have been expected to not sin if they had no experience with evil before?

Genesis 3:2-3 “Of course we may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,” the woman replied. “It’s only the fruit from the tree in the middle of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God said ‘You must not eat it or even touch it; if you do, you will die.’”

Seems to me that they did know what the consequences of their actions would be. The diagram says that if God had adequately explained all the consequences of their actions, this would effectively be “knowledge of good and evil”. In English this is such a vague definition, and I’m not a Greek scholar, nor does it matter what the actual definition of “knowledge of good and evil” is. The point is, Adam and Eve clearly knew the consequences of their actions; their sin was sin.

And before anybody tries to say that Adam was tricked by Eve into eating it, he wasn’t. Look at verse 6. “So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her. . .” Adam was with Eve and he knew that it was sinning too, he wasn’t tricked by Eve into thinking it was just an ordinary apple. They both willingly chose to disobey God.



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A Sin Cannot be Inherited

Out and out lie. No matter how abhorrent this appears to guy, babies are born evil. That’s how mother trucking of a big deal sin is.
Check out Exodus 20: 5-6 “. . . I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands.”

And to some extent he’s right. It doesn’t seem fair to us that children should be punished for their parents wrongs... but reality says that they are. If your dad gets addicted to drugs in high school, starts failing classes, and abandons his dreams of going university, there are going to be consequences for his children. The dad probably won’t end up in as high a paying job, he certainly won’t be as educated, and he might still be dealing with his addiction while his kids are growing up. Do you think the kids are going to be more or less likely to enjoy education and get jobs they’re satisfied in?

That example is just small potatoes. Imagine just how devastating bringing sin into God’s perfect world could be. God still loves us, but there are real physical consequences for our actions. God is not a God who lets us do whatever we want and still treat us the same. He created us perfect, and it is his plan for us to be perfect once again.


There's a lot of stuff here... and I have to get up at 4:30 tomorrow morning. I'll come back to this. So far the Holy Spirit is bringing old verses to my mind to combat all these lies, it just takes a long time to track down the verse, copy it out, and explain it.

I will say that none of these "truths" about the Bible are anything new. Most of these have been around for 2000 years, though it took them a little longer to think of some of these.

[!DC!Phantom]

I feel sorry for this guy lol!! he doesnt see the whole picture. sacrificing inocent things for our sins is not supposed to "balance the moral equation" it is a symbol that God loves us and has shown mercy. Another thing is those "inocent" things are not other humans but animals in which God has created for us to eat. in sacrifice they were giving back to God their best. it was also a symbol of what was to come, the ultimate lamb his son Jesus. Merciful loving God proves this guy wrong about God.

As for killing adulturers and all that non-sense it was in deuteronomy which is during Moses's time. just think if they had an outbreak of sexual immorality among them. they were disobeying God constantly as it was and God wanted to destroy them but Moses pleaded him not to. Obviously God didnt so he is a merciful loving God which proves this guy wrong again.

as for caining kids.. you gotta admit some deserve it haha

as for the whole inheriting sin. i don't think that kids are born impure. i believe what the bible is saying is that we inherit the knowledge of sin and the addiction too it.

as for Jesus being based of other pagan gods... not true things get twisted in time from mouth to mouth and either this was in later years or this was based off of the prophesies. hes not based off them they are based off him.

as for killing homosexuals the jews are constantly persecuted and killed. if they were all ###### homos then theyd run out of people and God's holy people

One last thing. sex before marriage. he really wanted his creations to be pure and holy so why not put a mean punishment on people of arent virgins at the time of marriage. death... harsh but since we don't have that punishment today now look what our world is like. now think back then when youd be killed for it. there were alot of saved women.

well im done and i don't know if you guys even want to read all that but i don't care you don't have to if you don't want to. if you happen too and see some major flaws in my beliefs PLEASE tell me.

[!DC! Krieger-OG]

Freeze please e-mail this to me so that I can read it a little more clearly and give an appropriate answer.